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1AcuDoc = Aculair Empty AcuDoc = Aculair Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:34 am

Chuck


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I posted this on George's board and it was promptly deleted?


MSOM = Jaun's Master's Degree in Chinese Medicine.

MTOM = AcuDoc's Master's Degree in Chinese Medicine.

Quacky told everyone for years he was educated to a higher level than most of us, and now it appears he is the fake and fraud some have called him all along.

I looked it up, there isn't a master Degree of MTOM? And I'm darned sure if you took a masters degree you'd know what letters you could put behind your name?

AcuDoc is a liar and a cheat, if anyone is a Jellyfish and coward it is him.

We don't need him in our community, San Carlos is better off without liars and conmen.

2AcuDoc = Aculair Empty Re: AcuDoc = Aculair Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:59 pm

Stevie

Stevie
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So lets get rid of him and while were at it lets run
Jose Martinez
Dicky Baca
George
Margaret
and the rest of the crooked agents out of town.




Anyone hear from Geoge lately? he's VSCM.

3AcuDoc = Aculair Empty Re: AcuDoc = Aculair Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:44 am

Chuck


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I always thought Quacky was a freind until I discovered his deceit and even George (VSCM) who is now being taken in is trying to protect the cheating liar acufraud.

The list was posted by George (VSCM) on the viva board. The only trouble is Larry Pannell's name isn't on it!


A little research:

Pacific College of Oriental Medicine
As short list of their staff and the degrees they hold. They include both MSOM and MTOM's

Aaron Cook
Alex Tiberi, L.Ac.
Allen A. Stovall,L.Ac., Dipl. OM, MSTOM
Amber Reeder, DC
Ana de Vedia, LAc, MTOM
Anna Hurtado, MSTOM
Ariel Talmor, BA/Certified in Reflexology
Barbara Clark, HHP, MA
Barry (Baoyu) Xin, O.M.D., Ph.D.
Bill Helm, BS, HHP
Bob Johnson, D.C.
Brian Bender, LAc, MS, MTOM
Byron Barth, L. Ac., Dipl. O.M., MSTOM
Cassandra Wang, BS, HHP, OBT
Catherine Austin, LAc
Clifford Lara, DC
Donald Phillips, MSTOM, L.Ac.
Donna Agan, Ed.D
Donna Keefe, L.Ac., MTOM
Dr. Stacy Gomes, Ed.D.
East Haradin, L.Ac.
Elizabeth Talcott, L.Ac.
Eric Brand, M.S.
Erin Raskin, LAc, MS (TCM)
Gabrielle Traub
Greg Sperber , BMBS, MTOM, MBA, L.Ac., DAOM
Gretchen Seitz, L.Ac., Dipl.OM, Dipl.CH, Dipl.Ac., MSTOM
Holly Halsey,L.Ac.
Jaime Kornsweig, L.Ac., MSTOM.
Jennifer Campbell, M.D.
Jessica Ifshin, L.Ac.
John T. Schaefer, DC
Joseph Douat, LAc.
Jocelyn Joy
Josh Eha, L.Ac.
Kristina Eberle, HHP
Leslie McCoy, L.Ac., MSTOM
Lily Chang, L.Ac. DAOM
Lynda M. Harvey, LAc, OMD, PhD. (cand.)
Margaret "Garet" Bedrosian, LCSW, CBT, CET
Margi Duran, LAc.
Marie Kastner, L.Ac, P.T.
Marilyn Allen, MS
Mary Oleksowicz, L. Ac.
Marly Wexler, LAc
Mary Tuton
Matthew Callison, LAc, MTOM, MS
Mei Fang Wei, L.Ac.
Mike Spatuzzi, LAc
Minchen Wang, L.Ac., (Vince) Ph.D. Chemistry, M.S. (Clinical Chemistry), M.S.(TCM),
Mohammad Javaherian, L.Ac., MSOM, BSTCM, NanJing
Patricia L Jackson , M.T.O.M., L.Ac.
Paul Miller , MD
Paul Schell, B.S.
Qili Lily Ye, LAc., BS(TCM China)
Rafael Gutierrez
Richard M. Gold, LAc, PhD
Robert B. Damone, MS(TCM), LAc
Robert Leak, HHP, OBT
Robert Nations, MT, TS
Robin Kohler, LAc.
Robin Tiberi, LAc, MTOM, DAOM
Shelly Krahn, LAc
Shou Xin Wu, L.Ac.
Steve Levitt, LAc, OMD
Tantan Huang, BA, MA, TCM
Ted Kardash, PhD, MFT
Toan Truong, L.Ac., MTOM
Tracie Livermore, BFA, HHP
Vincentia Schroeter, MA, CBA, MFCC
Walter Muryasz, BS
Warren Sheir, LAc, MTOM
William K. C. Conover, LAc, MTOM
Yibin Wang, L.Ac., BS(TCM China)
Yuan Wang, L.Ac., MS(China)
Z’ev Rosenberg, LAc, MSOM

4AcuDoc = Aculair Empty Re: AcuDoc = Aculair Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:06 am

Chuck


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If they can do it so can I I stole this from the viva board.

According to George (VSCM) I am not me, so just who is my wife sleeping with, who does my wife live with when visiting San Carlos in the winter? Quacky says I am being impersonated, By my self Laz? Just so you know I will post when and where I want.

I note Quacky is paying the mafia his protection money because George has started a whole thread just to provide hugs and kisses to his largest donator, I wonder if quacky gets his money the same way alecs does? By sending out pornmail?

When it hits the fan and it will quite soon George is going to be the scape goat for the SCM and bum boy of the jail.

Donations of KY can be sent to George via his address in Tucson.



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vscm

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Registered: July 18, 2008
Posts: 17
Yesterday at 05:12 PM #1

Copied Post:

MSOM = Jaun's Master's Degree in Chinese Medicine.

MTOM = AcuDoc's Master's Degree in Chinese Medicine.

A little research:

Pacific College of Oriental Medicine
As short list of their staff and the degrees they hold. They include both MSOM and MTOM's

Aaron Cook
Alex Tiberi, L.Ac.
Allen A. Stovall,L.Ac., Dipl. OM, MSTOM
Amber Reeder, DC
Ana de Vedia, LAc, MTOM
Anna Hurtado, MSTOM
Ariel Talmor, BA/Certified in Reflexology
Barbara Clark, HHP, MA
Barry (Baoyu) Xin, O.M.D., Ph.D.
Bill Helm, BS, HHP
Bob Johnson, D.C.
Brian Bender, LAc, MS, MTOM
Byron Barth, L. Ac., Dipl. O.M., MSTOM
Cassandra Wang, BS, HHP, OBT
Catherine Austin, LAc
Clifford Lara, DC
Donald Phillips, MSTOM, L.Ac.
Donna Agan, Ed.D
Donna Keefe, L.Ac., MTOM
Dr. Stacy Gomes, Ed.D.
East Haradin, L.Ac.
Elizabeth Talcott, L.Ac.
Eric Brand, M.S.
Erin Raskin, LAc, MS (TCM)
Gabrielle Traub
Greg Sperber , BMBS, MTOM, MBA, L.Ac., DAOM
Gretchen Seitz, L.Ac., Dipl.OM, Dipl.CH, Dipl.Ac., MSTOM
Holly Halsey,L.Ac.
Jaime Kornsweig, L.Ac., MSTOM.
Jennifer Campbell, M.D.
Jessica Ifshin, L.Ac.
John T. Schaefer, DC
Joseph Douat, LAc.
Jocelyn Joy
Josh Eha, L.Ac.
Kristina Eberle, HHP
Leslie McCoy, L.Ac., MSTOM
Lily Chang, L.Ac. DAOM
Lynda M. Harvey, LAc, OMD, PhD. (cand.)
Margaret "Garet" Bedrosian, LCSW, CBT, CET
Margi Duran, LAc.
Marie Kastner, L.Ac, P.T.
Marilyn Allen, MS
Mary Oleksowicz, L. Ac.
Marly Wexler, LAc
Mary Tuton
Matthew Callison, LAc, MTOM, MS
Mei Fang Wei, L.Ac.
Mike Spatuzzi, LAc
Minchen Wang, L.Ac., (Vince) Ph.D. Chemistry, M.S. (Clinical Chemistry), M.S.(TCM),
Mohammad Javaherian, L.Ac., MSOM, BSTCM, NanJing
Patricia L Jackson , M.T.O.M., L.Ac.
Paul Miller , MD
Paul Schell, B.S.
Qili Lily Ye, LAc., BS(TCM China)
Rafael Gutierrez
Richard M. Gold, LAc, PhD
Robert B. Damone, MS(TCM), LAc
Robert Leak, HHP, OBT
Robert Nations, MT, TS
Robin Kohler, LAc.
Robin Tiberi, LAc, MTOM, DAOM
Shelly Krahn, LAc
Shou Xin Wu, L.Ac.
Steve Levitt, LAc, OMD
Tantan Huang, BA, MA, TCM
Ted Kardash, PhD, MFT
Toan Truong, L.Ac., MTOM
Tracie Livermore, BFA, HHP
Vincentia Schroeter, MA, CBA, MFCC
Walter Muryasz, BS
Warren Sheir, LAc, MTOM
William K. C. Conover, LAc, MTOM
Yibin Wang, L.Ac., BS(TCM China)
Yuan Wang, L.Ac., MS(China)
Z’ev Rosenberg, LAc, MSOM

.......................................................................................................... MexicoMel

Registered: March 27, 2008
Posts: 219
Yesterday at 06:30 PM #2


Can someone explain to me the purpose of this post?

MexicoMel
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AcuDocTCM

Registered: March 27, 2008
Posts: 666
Yesterday at 08:12 PM #3

It's from the constant posts on the banamex board and here in the past from some individuals that a MTOM Degree (Masters Degree in Traditional Oriental Medicine) that I hold is does not exist. It is just more lies from those trying to discredit me by my loyal followers of haters.

I did not know vscm was going to post this here but I appreciate the effort to stop the slander directed at me.

This post supposedly came from Chuck. Chuck and I am friends and he did not post this. The banamex board is filled by one or two people singing in under various names from people here that have never posted there. The list includes myself, Chuck, Zorro, Chrisy, George, Bobby, Leslie etc.

This is from a thread called: AcuDoc = Aculair Today at 3:34 am

I posted this on George's board and it was promptly deleted?
MSOM = Jaun's Master's Degree in Chinese Medicine.
MTOM = AcuDoc's Master's Degree in Chinese Medicine.

Quacky told everyone for years he was educated to a higher level than most of us, and now it appears he is the fake and fraud some have called him all along.

I looked it up, there isn't a master Degree of MTOM? And I'm darned sure if you took a masters degree you'd know what letters you could put behind your name?

AcuDoc is a liar and a cheat, if anyone is a Jellyfish and coward it is him.

We don't need him in our community, San Carlos is better off without liars and conmen.


HERE IS ANOTHER POST:

Another Whopping Lie Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:34 pm

When will the people of San Carlos realize the AcuLiar is just that. As If a Senator would spend time with a nothingness and prickster.

THe banamex board is nothing but lies trying to bring down the viva board, but if you ever want to have a good laugh take a look


Just to make it clear one more time here is the link to the graduate school I attended, The Emperors College of Traditional Oriental Medicine in California, and where I received my MTOM.

http://www.emperors.edu/masters/masters.html

Master's Program

The Master's of Traditional Oriental Medicine Program (MTOM) is built on an outstanding curriculum, excellent faculty, and a range of educational resources that provide and support students throughout their educational training in order to ensure they receive excellent didactic and clinical training.

The educational model underlying the curriculum emphasizes the opportunity to learn and integrate knowledge, techniques and philosophies of Eastern and Western medicines while moving through phased coursework.

At the heart of the Master's curriculum are our outstanding and diverse instructors. Emperor's faculty members provide the knowledge and skills of this incredible medicine while serving as consistent resources and role models to students throughout their education. Classroom instructors and clinical supervisors are dedicated teachers who ensure that the curriculum is presented and implemented in a manner that is effective and accessible to our students.

Curriculum Overview

The Master's Program curriculum meets and exceeds all ACAOM, BPPVE and California Acupuncture Board standards, and ensures a solid education in Oriental Medicine. It consists of a four-year program of study that includes a total of 3170 hours of classroom and clinical instruction. Students complete 2220 hours of classroom (didactic) instruction and a total of 950 hours of clinical training (including observation and a total of 780 hours of clinical internship).

Students take required coursework in each of four departments of study including Oriental Medicine, Acupuncture, Herbal Medicine and Western Sciences. In addition to the required coursework, students take a total of 60 hours of Electives that provide additional, unique and specialized opportunities to study with leading professionals in the field.

The Clinic curriculum provides phased and structured training that builds clinical and professional competencies in treating patients. Students learn and work in the Clinic's Herb Dispensary, observe faculty, and shadow interns before moving into the role of clinical interns themselves. The clinical internships are structured to provide students with the opportunity to acquire and demonstrate the knowledge and skills of phased clinical competencies.

The Master's Program is designed to be completed in four years (or more) in order to ensure that students have the time to learn and integrate the large amount of knowledge and skills contained in the curriculum. The maximum length of time students can be in the Master's Program is eight years. Students must successfully complete all required coursework and two standard examinations, Mid-Curriculum and Comprehensive Exams, to meet requirements for program completion and graduation.
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Registered: March 31, 2008
Posts: 22
Yesterday at 09:04 PM #4


Is it necessary that the forum moderator be involved in this childish pi$$ing contest?

Is it even prudent for the moderator to concern himself with what is posted on his competitor's forum?
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AcuDocTCM

Registered: March 27, 2008
Posts: 666
Yesterday at 09:24 PM #5


A "childish pi$$ing contest"????

I haven't posted on this subject in months, maybe close to a year, and only when confronted after numerous times when my business was threatened.

If your credentials and livelihood were slandered I bet you would feel different.

Also the same slander has been posted on here on the viva board. Wouldn't you be grateful if someone took it upon themselves to clear your name if it were unjustly slandered?

And if not why so negative? Why should it concern you?

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vscm

Moderator
Registered: July 18, 2008
Posts: 17
Yesterday at 09:35 PM #6

Any prudent business watches what it's "competitor" is doing. Especially when the sole stated purpose of the "competitor" is to destroy this forum. Which they were almost succesful in doing a few months back.

We watch them carefully. We would compare it to fighting graffiti. If you don't clean it up right away it gets out of hand.

They have only one or two legitimate posters on the banamex board. Ninety five percent of what they post is either a cut and copy from this board (which is then rewritten to make it something it was not) or a post by a name they have copied from this board to make it look like they have collected all the defectors from Viva San Carlos. They have even faked posts from my wife. She thinks it's pretty funny. But wishes they would at least get her name right.

They will continue to do what they do and we expect nothing less. Vigilance is wise.

We hope this answers your question.

Thanks for asking and giving us a chance to explain.
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mexibob

Registered: March 31, 2008
Posts: 23
Today at 08:06 AM #7

Yes, a pi$$ing contest, pretty much the same thing that can be heard on any grade school play ground. It's the same ole 'yes I am/no you're not' taunting that goes on everyday.

It gets old seeing this worn out topic surface only to bring out the best of the posturing and fist pounding. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if a person that professes to be a professional is a true professional then that person is mature enough to let this crap die a natural death. Let it go away on its own as it should.

I doubt if anyone's business is in jeopardy of going down the tubes because some troublemaker wants to contest a person's educational background. This smells of just another chance to put one's self out there so we all know there's an educated person that does acupuncture when he's in San Carlos.

Yeah, I know, I don't have to read the posts but it's like driving past a traffic accident, you have to look.

It's true, businesses check out the competition to see what they need to do to stay ahead of the game. Here again, my feeling is another forum discussing the ills of San Carlos is unlikely to bring this one down.

Additionally, with the moderator going to the other forum and cutting a post from there and then pasting in his own forum shows a few things.

It would appear by posting the thread from the other forum the moderator was opened that sore about whether the guy has a degree or not. In doing so it will cause more comments to be generated and a rehash of the old stuff to surface. Additionally, the posting of thread has in a way advertised for the acupuncturist once again.

If the members of this forum want to frequent the other forum they will do so or they won't. I think when the moderator of this forum grabs tidbits from there to post here he isn't doing one a service, it's a disservice because it dredges up old news and will eventually cause problems for him.

As I see it this post and/or thread will be removed because it will get out of hand and will tarnish the image of this forum.

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AcuDocTCM

Registered: March 27, 2008
Posts: 667
Today at 08:29 AM #8

Yet you are the only one gripping about it and rehashing the subject. Why not stop the D*** measuring contest and the subject would go away.

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